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Randy Ciuros Snakecharmer


   Age : 47 Joined : 18 Mar 2008 Posts : 135 Location : USA
 | Subject: Naja sumatrana Pictures Sat 12 Apr - 2:15 | |
| Here are a few pics of a couple of my Yellow Phase Sumatran Spitters.
First 2 pics are of my original WC male


Below pic is a CB'06 male (son of above male)
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Mario Lutz Admin


   Age : 40 Joined : 06 Mar 2008 Posts : 790 Location : Puerto Galera, Philippines
 | Subject: Re: Naja sumatrana Pictures Sat 12 Apr - 9:03 | |
| cobras are ! Amazing.... what ever species it is - but this yellow N.sumatrana of yours are stunning.
lovely pics thanks
Cheers Mario _________________ aquila non capit muscas |
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Peter Pastor Snakecharmer


  Age : 33 Joined : 08 Mar 2008 Posts : 116 Location : Slovakia
 | Subject: Re: Naja sumatrana Pictures Sat 12 Apr - 14:24 | |
| I agree with Mario, really amazing species... Can`t wait to have some over here as well
Good luck with laying eggs and their incubation... |
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Randy Ciuros Snakecharmer


   Age : 47 Joined : 18 Mar 2008 Posts : 135 Location : USA
 | Subject: Re: Naja sumatrana Pictures Sun 13 Apr - 1:24 | |
| Many Thanks
My original female is gravid and I'm expecting eggs any day now. The original male and female have spit at me many times while in their cages and it hits the glass, but I don't recall getting spit on. I've produced 7.3 babies in 2 years, and I kept 2.2. None of the babies I've produced have spit at me, but one guy who bought one said his now spits often.
The thing I really like is that they almost always stand up and hood, lunge forward and make a lot of noise. I don't understand why the original male in the above pics didn't stand up for us when we were taking pics the other day. I've had my original male since 10/30/04 and the female since 11/14/01, and they have not calmed down like most Cobras I've had.
I only knew of 1.3 Yellow Phase Sumatrans that were in America, and I had 1.1. I've never seen or heard about any others. A year ago, I was told by a couple people that several have been brought into America, but I've been looking for them since I got my female, and no one seems to have any. I believe they were all WC specimens that were brought in, so maybe they didn't live. Though mine are very hardy animals and easy to breed. They don't lay very many eggs though. The babies are about 10" long when they hatch, and the ones I have produced, have all eaten F/T large mouse pinks right after their first shed. I've had one problem feeder, and he wasn't that bad.
I'll post pics when I get eggs. Hopefully that will be soon.
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Jelmer Groen Snakekeeper

   Age : 24 Joined : 04 Apr 2008 Posts : 75 Location : the Netherlands
 | Subject: Re: Naja sumatrana Pictures Sun 13 Apr - 1:58 | |
| Really nice Randy!
It's the same over here when it comes to purchasing Naja sumatrana. Also sometimes it's not Naja sumatrana but Naja sputatrix.
Cheers,
Jelmer |
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Randy Ciuros Snakecharmer


   Age : 47 Joined : 18 Mar 2008 Posts : 135 Location : USA
 | Subject: Re: Naja sumatrana Pictures Sun 13 Apr - 13:22 | |
| Thanks Jelmer
Several years ago, a place here in Florida, not the biggest dealer, but whom you've probably heard of, sold me a pair of Black Phase N. sumatrana. They were beautiful, and cheap. The cheap part should have told me something was wrong, but I figured they knew what they were selling. Anyway, 2 years ago I bred them and all the babies had spectacle or abberant spectacle hood markings. Sumatrana never has hood markings according to WW's site. I did the scale counts on the adults at their next shed, and they proved to be black phase N. siamensis.
I purchased a pair of brown colored "Thai Spitters" from another, bigger and more well known dealer in America. After they described them to me, I asked, and I was told they were definitely NOT sputatrix. I paid twice what N. sputatrix were going for and guess what? They definitely WERE sputatrix. When I told them about the scale counts proving them to be sputatrix, he said, "wow, really" and that was it. Didn't even offer to give me a discount on a future purchase. Needless to say, I have never purchased from them since.
It's amazing to me that people can sell snakes, especially venomous, and not know or care what they are selling. It's gotten to the point where I won't buy anything sight unseen, unless I'm buying from a very good friend. |
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Mario Lutz Admin


   Age : 40 Joined : 06 Mar 2008 Posts : 790 Location : Puerto Galera, Philippines
 | Subject: Re: Naja sumatrana Pictures Sun 13 Apr - 18:04 | |
| | Randy Ciuros wrote: |
It's amazing to me that people can sell snakes, especially venomous, and not know or care what they are selling. It's gotten to the point where I won't buy anything sight unseen, unless I'm buying from a very good friend. |
actually, thats very bad - imagine, somebody take a bite and the hospital treat them with the wrong antidote, huh? nothing worse could happen. its a shame and it is nearly a criminal act (at least it should prosecute as such!) if something like this would happen...
cheers Mario _________________ aquila non capit muscas |
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Jelmer Groen Snakekeeper

   Age : 24 Joined : 04 Apr 2008 Posts : 75 Location : the Netherlands
 | Subject: Re: Naja sumatrana Pictures Sun 13 Apr - 19:59 | |
| | Randy Ciuros wrote: | Thanks Jelmer
Several years ago, a place here in Florida, not the biggest dealer, but whom you've probably heard of, sold me a pair of Black Phase N. sumatrana. They were beautiful, and cheap. The cheap part should have told me something was wrong, but I figured they knew what they were selling. Anyway, 2 years ago I bred them and all the babies had spectacle or abberant spectacle hood markings. Sumatrana never has hood markings according to WW's site. I did the scale counts on the adults at their next shed, and they proved to be black phase N. siamensis.
I purchased a pair of brown colored "Thai Spitters" from another, bigger and more well known dealer in America. After they described them to me, I asked, and I was told they were definitely NOT sputatrix. I paid twice what N. sputatrix were going for and guess what? They definitely WERE sputatrix. When I told them about the scale counts proving them to be sputatrix, he said, "wow, really" and that was it. Didn't even offer to give me a discount on a future purchase. Needless to say, I have never purchased from them since.
It's amazing to me that people can sell snakes, especially venomous, and not know or care what they are selling. It's gotten to the point where I won't buy anything sight unseen, unless I'm buying from a very good friend. |
It's unbelievable indeed....it spits, it's yellowish, so it's sumatrana...that's what some people seem to think.
Jelmer |
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Randy Ciuros Snakecharmer


   Age : 47 Joined : 18 Mar 2008 Posts : 135 Location : USA
 | Subject: Re: Naja sumatrana Pictures Fri 18 Apr - 15:31 | |
| Happy Days Mario!!! Finally the Yellow Sumatran laid her eggs. I stayed up to make sure I got them as soon as she was done. It's now 3:20am. I tried to take a pic of her on the eggs, but she is such a psycho, that as soon as I opened the laying box, she stood up, and was lunging at me, so I had to just take her off the eggs before she disturbed them too much. I candled the ones she knocked around, to make sure I placed them in the vermiculite right side up.
She laid 7 eggs 2006, 5 eggs in 2007, and now 6 eggs in 2008. One egg didn't hatch in 2006, and one didn't hatch in 2007. Hopefully they will all hatch this year. They are 2 1/2" to almost 3" long. Big eggs for such a small snake.
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Vangelis Rokkos Newbie


   Age : 42 Joined : 16 Mar 2008 Posts : 38 Location : Greece-Athens
 | Subject: Re: Naja sumatrana Pictures Fri 18 Apr - 16:11 | |
| Best wishes for the incubation!!!
Regards Vangelis |
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Mario Lutz Admin


   Age : 40 Joined : 06 Mar 2008 Posts : 790 Location : Puerto Galera, Philippines
 | Subject: Re: Naja sumatrana Pictures Fri 18 Apr - 16:29 | |
| wow, wow, wow - awesome!
lets incubate them a bit cooler as we talked about it before... i sure cross my fingers man! what a nice picture... the white gold nuggets!
cheers Mario _________________ aquila non capit muscas |
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matt yuyek Snakekeeper


   Age : 50 Joined : 01 Apr 2008 Posts : 63 Location : Puerto Galera / Philippines
 | Subject: Re: Naja sumatrana Pictures Fri 18 Apr - 17:23 | |
| Randy,
Congratulations to your N. sumatrana eggs!
matt |
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Peter Zürcher Moderator


   Age : 56 Joined : 06 Mar 2008 Posts : 170 Location : Carinthia, Austria
 | Subject: Re: Naja sumatrana Pictures Fri 18 Apr - 18:19 | |
| Congratulations, Randy These cobras are on top of my list. Wish you all the best. Peter _________________ Cobras - breathtaking beauties! |
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Randy Ciuros Snakecharmer


   Age : 47 Joined : 18 Mar 2008 Posts : 135 Location : USA
 | Subject: Re: Naja sumatrana Pictures Fri 18 Apr - 23:05 | |
| Thanks everyone. Dont worry Mario, since my eggs hatched in 2006, I've been keeping and breeding my snakes at those cooler temps, and incubating the eggs at the cooler temps like we talked about.
For everyone else who may be wondering what we talked about, I'll start a new thread, in the "Naja" section, because this subject is about temps during the year, during copulation, during egg formation in the female, as well as incubation temps in Naja species. I'll call it "Temperature Sex Determination in Naja". I believe it is called TSD when talking about turtles, and lizards. _________________ Snakes are people too!!! |
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Peter Pastor Snakecharmer


  Age : 33 Joined : 08 Mar 2008 Posts : 116 Location : Slovakia
 | Subject: Re: Naja sumatrana Pictures Sat 19 Apr - 2:18 | |
| Hi Randy,
huge congratulation from me!!! I was hoping in more eggs, but this quantity is surely nice too. Hope they are hatch (and we can split them with Mario Can`t wait for it
Best regards, Peter P. |
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Henning Vehmeier Newbie

   Age : 24 Joined : 27 Mar 2008 Posts : 28 Location : Rheine Germany
 | Subject: Re: Naja sumatrana Pictures Sat 19 Apr - 6:43 | |
| Congratulations, Randy
Wish you all the best.
Regards
Henning |
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Tomas Bublik Snakekeeper


   Age : 35 Joined : 10 May 2008 Posts : 51 Location : Czech republic
 | Subject: Re: Naja sumatrana Pictures Tue 20 May - 2:28 | |
| 
Iīm not very experienced in kobras and never kept them at home,but would like to share this picture with you.I caught this big black specimen of Naja sumatrana two weeks ago in Borneo,Poring Hot Springs.

this small baby of sumatran kobra killed a NP staff near of my bungalow IN THE NP!!! When I asked them for a reason they were very surprised........ |
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Guenter Leitenbauer Snakecharmer


   Age : 42 Joined : 17 May 2008 Posts : 179 Location : Gunskirchen / Austria
 | Subject: Re: Naja sumatrana Pictures Tue 20 May - 2:45 | |
| | Excuse me ... what does "NP" mean here? |
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Peter Pastor Snakecharmer


  Age : 33 Joined : 08 Mar 2008 Posts : 116 Location : Slovakia
 | Subject: Re: Naja sumatrana Pictures Tue 20 May - 13:49 | |
| I think NP means National Park....  |
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Randy Ciuros Snakecharmer


   Age : 47 Joined : 18 Mar 2008 Posts : 135 Location : USA
 | Subject: Re: Naja sumatrana Pictures Sat 5 Jul - 18:22 | |
| Here ya go Mario. I took a new picture this morning. 3 of 6 have pipped.

Here are a couple pics of last years babies, so you can see what they look like out of the egg.

 _________________ Snakes are people too!!! |
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Randy Ciuros Snakecharmer


   Age : 47 Joined : 18 Mar 2008 Posts : 135 Location : USA
 | Subject: Re: Naja sumatrana Pictures Sun 6 Jul - 3:19 | |
| Here are pics of the first hatchling out of the egg today, July 5th.


 _________________ Snakes are people too!!! |
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Peter Pastor Snakecharmer


  Age : 33 Joined : 08 Mar 2008 Posts : 116 Location : Slovakia
 | Subject: Re: Naja sumatrana Pictures Sun 6 Jul - 3:25 | |
| Amazing, it looks very nice... I keep my fingers crossed for hatching of all 6 of them...
Best regards, Peter P. |
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Randy Ciuros Snakecharmer


   Age : 47 Joined : 18 Mar 2008 Posts : 135 Location : USA
 | Subject: Re: Naja sumatrana Pictures Sun 6 Jul - 4:08 | |
| One is out of the egg, 4 more have pipped, so only one egg left to pip. Last year I got 5 eggs and 4 hatched, the year before, I got 7 eggs and 6 hatched. The 6th egg this year looks real good, so I think all 6 may hatch this year. _________________ Snakes are people too!!! |
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Mario Lutz Admin


   Age : 40 Joined : 06 Mar 2008 Posts : 790 Location : Puerto Galera, Philippines
 | Subject: Re: Naja sumatrana Pictures Sun 6 Jul - 9:38 | |
| wow, wow, wow -
congratulations Randy! cute little buggers you got there! i hope all 6 will hatch and i certainly hope the sex ratio is good too...
cant wait man!
cheers Mario _________________ aquila non capit muscas |
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Randy Ciuros Snakecharmer


   Age : 47 Joined : 18 Mar 2008 Posts : 135 Location : USA
 | Subject: Re: Naja sumatrana Pictures Sun 6 Jul - 23:04 | |
| 5 are out of the egg, and the 6th pipped yesterday, so all 6 will hatch this year. _________________ Snakes are people too!!! |
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